Big thanks to Loki, none other than @ twhiddleston, for a Thor-some visit to GOSH last week in support of our Stocking Appeal. Here’s Tom with patients Aaditya, Angel, Shifa and Sarah. Taking part in our Stocking Appeal is easy – send a festive message to the children and their families who will be spending this Christmas at GOSH and let them know you’re thinking of them. gosh.org/stockingappeal
I was a little late to the Hozier party. I mean I loved Take Me To Church and I laughed at the dark forest prince memes and I even reblogged them, but I figured it was all kind of a tumblr exaggeration.
Then I listened to his album, wherein he sings about:
decomposing in a field with his love and getting eaten by foxes
being dug out of the dirt by his love, who he implores to kiss him “like real people do”, implying that neither of them are real people
observing the world as an outsider (“happy to lie back, watch it burn and rust; we tried the world, good god it wasn’t for us”)
rising from his grave to crawl home to his love
“the bog man”
and I realized, no, he’s just Like That.
are you telling me all of those are real songs and not just aesthetics tumblr made up
Listen, I didn’t believe it either, but that’s absolutely what I’m telling you.
Sorry, to disappoint you but I’m not. I don’t hate Thor. I hate what Marvel did to him. Thor who mourned for Loki when he thought he died saving him and Jane would have been happy and elated to know he’s alive, but instead Thor Ragnarok had him call Loki weasely and greasy, accuse Loki of faking his death, disrespected Loki’s rule as king, when it was Loki who had the castle repaired after Malekiths attack, when it was loki who made sure that Asgard was safe from attacks by keeping the army close to home, and his people happy and prosperous. Thor saw none of Loki’s good work and instead attacked Loki with his words. If Thor cared about Loki and mourned for him as he said, then he would have acted the opposite of what we saw him do in the movie. This is shitty directing done to have Loki be degraded. Its illogical the way Thor acted.
If that isn’t worse Thor who said he mourned Loki’s death in TDW, now in Ragnarok didn’t give a damn if Loki lived or died. He had Loki electrocuted with the Obedience disk and left him there to be found by the Grandmaster’s guards who would either kill Loki on the spot or bring him to the Grandmaster who would then kill him with the melt stick for treason. The way Thor is in this movie makes no sense.
Thor was also being very ooc in the way he spoke and behaved. This wasn’t the Thor i knew. No, he went back to being the Thor in the first movie before he was banished. He’s actually much worse now ‘cause he apparently likes watching his brother suffer.
Before Ragnarok we are told that ‘There’s no Thor without Loki, and no Loki without Thor’. But with Ragnarok and the way the brothers were portrayed we don’t want them to work together anymore. And that’s not how their relationship was suppose to be.
Ragnarok canon can f* off for all i care, i am creating my own Brodinsons headcanons with the Thor we were suppose to get in that movie.
It’s almost as if Thor has gotten tired of the constant betrayal, scheming, and death that Loki brings with him, and is also still pissed at him for essentially causing the events that led to their fathers death.
People are allowed to grow tired of their abusive family. Thor and Loki: Blood Brothers is another example of this, where Thor finally just snaps and murders Loki at the end.
Loki honestly doesn’t deserve Thor, and Thor fi ally recognized it.
Loki was never suppose to betray Thor in Ragnarok. The novelization of the movie had loki helping Thor willingly without betraying him. Thor and loki even agreed that it’s time to do things right and fighting amongst themselves will never lead to anything good. There was no obedience disk, and no sadist Thor. The betrayal scene was put in just tp make Loki look bad
Odin was the ‘cause of all the family problems. Hela is the way she is because of Odin. He decided to make his daughter into his royal executioner. That’s messed up. He taught loki and thor that frost giants are monsters, when clearly knowing that loki was a frost giant. Didn’t he think what would happen to loki if he knew? Odin was the ‘cause of loki going mad in Thor 1. So, don’t expect me to have mercy for Odin. I was expecting Ragnarok would have Thor realising that his father is no saint but was the ‘cause of so much pain and resentment in his family. But nope we got none of that.
You’re saying Loki doesn’t deserve Thor? Well then i say Thor doesn’t deserve Loki. If he’s going to ignore the fact that Loki committed suicide in the first movie, and then suffered torture at Thanos’s hands, and was threatened with death if he didn’t get the tesseract. And loki was also influence by the sceptre given to him by Thanos, which increased his resentment towards Thor ten fold, and turned Loki into the violent, insane being we saw in Avengers 1 (this is all canon btw). If Thor is going to ignore all Loki suffered, even if Loki died for him, then Thor should just stay far away from Loki.
As if Loki doesn’t have the right to snap or tired from all of the psychological abusive treatment that his family, especially Thor who treating him like some kind of servant for those 1000 years, the treatment that he brings to Loki all this time before he “changed” (pseudo-change to be precise —> watch as he went back into the old behavior of a narcissistic spoiled prince who’re grinning and without guilty when manipulating his own friend who never do anything wrong to him. There’s no literal excuse for that, and I could honestly go on and on about this immoral behavior that’s been marketing as “heroic” and “that’s what heroes do”. No wonder about the current society standard of “goodness” I guess, a half-asses “hero”. )
People are allowed to grow tired of his/her abusive family, who always either shut him/her down, putting him/her in their “place”, belittled him/her for not reaching the abusive family’s standard, always abrasive and hypocritical to them, doing a lot of double standard treatment and scapegoating, doing a lot of narcissistic abusive behavior to him/her, and so on. Loki is 100% allowed to grow tired of his abusive family who filled all the criteria above and whom treating him like inferior for 1000 years.
In all of honesty for the fact that Thor actually never deserve Loki, and Loki should’ve recognized it a long time ago but he didn’t because he’s the actual one with real tolerance here, not his “precious” golden brother.
The attempt in this dialogue to paint Thor as the abused sibling and Loki as his abuser is so disgusting I literally want to vomit.
The thing is, the ‘cycle of betrayal’ doesn’t exist in the MCU. In the comics, yes, though the intensity of said cycle varies.
Loki hasn’t betrayed Thor since the first film. In Avengers they were on opposite sides. In TDW Loki…did exactly what he said he’d do and aided Thor. They wanted the same thing, after all. So…where is the cycle of betrayal?
I don’t count the scene in Ragnarok, that was wildly ooc for Loki. Selling out Thor for….cash? Come on. He’d have to be getting way more out of it than that, and given that the Grandmaster is fickle at best, there’s a good chance he’d execute Loki anyway just bc. Which Loki, if he had a brain in this movie, would know. Players expect to be played. And the idea that Loki, who trusts very infrequently, would trust an intergalactic used car salesman like the Grandmaster is straight up ridiculous.
Also Loki didn’t cause Odin’s death. He didn’t help, that’s for sure, but there is evidence Odin was deteriorating prior to that. Also in the original Ragnarok script, Hela kills Odin herself. (For reference, the deleted scene with Thor and Bruce Banner on the orgy ship, where Thor recounts this.) In the final version, it isn’t really fully explained that I know of, and so I personally feel weird blaming Loki. There just isn’t much evidence other than Thor’s assumption made out of grief and anger.
I forgot about that. Loki betraying Thor for cash is the most ooc shit i’ve ever seen. Its too cheap. Something loki himself would frown upon. He did nine of that in the novelization of the movie.
Tbh, loki never trusted the GM. Loki was there on Sakaar fro two weeks but he’s already checked the garage where the ships are kept, stolen the security codes and already made plans to get rid of the GM. That’s actually very canon of Loki. Loki is always prepared and alert and after everything he’s gone through, him trusting the GM who killed his own cousin ‘cause he gambled away a camel, would be the most stupidest and ooc thing to do.
here’s a handy checklist for anyone considering redeeming a villain!!!
are they…
❏ a wife beater? ❏ sexually abusive? ❏ violent towards small children? ❏ extremely racist? ❏ a goddamn fascist?
if you checked any of these boxes, not only should you not redeem that villain, but I’m also going to come to your house and pour sewer water into your sock drawer for even considering it
I totally understand why one would feel that way, but basically what you are saying is, the above mentioned people are true evil and can never change and thus giving examples of how such a change might happen must not be written?
Or am I missing something here?
By all means, write well written, conflict-filled, problematic and problem-solving redemtionarcs for abusive charakters!
Give them some rolemodels who actually look at their actions and learn to consider the consequences!
Yeah, this. Redemption doesn’t mean ‘all is forgiven’, or ‘we all act like it never happened’, it doesn’t mean ‘you can move freely through the world as if your victims don’t exist’, it doesn’t mean ‘your harm stops having consequences’.
It means: a person realizes that their behavior was horrible, stops doing it and tries to fix the parts of the damage that can be fixed.
Showing that and showing the capability of change is GOOD. We NEED redemption arcs like that.
(and an important part of that redemption arc might be the moment a character STOPS thinking that they will one day be forgiven by all, accepts that there are permanent consequences for their actions, and continues their commitment to never harm someone like that again.)
Actual fascists can and do stop being fascists and become active antifascists. Groups that facilitate that difficult process have always been an important part of antifascism.
Showing that sort of change in fiction and non-fiction is GOOD. Making it clear that those who did terrible harm can stop doing that harm, can take real accountability for it and can repair some of the damage is important.
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